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Here, in their own words, are the views of the leading lights of one of the many groups of inflammatory speakers, the Islamic Education and Research Academy (iERA): "If someone's going to fight against the [Muslim] community they should be killed"; "sexual relations were permitted between a man and his female slaves"; "adultery is punishable by death, and a slow and painful death by stoning." And on the Lawyers' Secular Society report goes, listing every variety of prejudice and every exhortation to young Muslim men to avoid the corruption of Western life.

Their appeals are not quite the incitement to violence they seem. The iERA may have once had on its board hate preachers now banned from the UK for preaching hatred of gays and Jews, supporting child-marriages and calling for the death penalty for "apostates". Its speakers have certainly spent years touring universities and Muslim communities, largely unopposed. Earlier this year — and again no one disputes this — young men in Portsmouth, who had been distributing Islamist material while wearing iERA T-shirts, went off to Syria to fight on behalf of the Islamic State. Nevertheless, the iERA can claim that it has stayed on the right side of the law by saying that the bigotry it endorses and punishments it dreams of will only come in an ideal future Islamic state. Its speakers are not inciting violence in the here and now.

I accept that, technically, they may be telling the truth and this is why the state is tearing up the old laws to catch them, but I still need to ask why these legal technicalities should bother the Left. That an extreme-Right group is just about within the law as it now stands does not stop protests against the English Defence League, British National Party, or indeed, UKIP and assorted priapic males. Leftists say that their ideas are poisonous and must be countered before the poison spreads. The law is an irrelevance.

The only left-winger I have seen attempt to explain the double standard is Nick Ryan of Hope not Hate. He deserves credit for his frankness, but his argument had no coherence. He said that Muslim communities were "immature" — thus infantilising Muslims and treating them with a condescension he would never apply to whites. He said that Muslim ultra-conservatives should be our allies if they are against violence — thus abandoning all who suffer because of ultra-conservative ideas. He said that if anti-fascists tackled Muslims whose ideas mirrored those of the white far-Right, "we're just going to end up pushing all Muslims further away" — thus aping the arguments of Islamophobes who treat Muslims as a monolithic bloc. And disgracefully but predictably, he dismissed liberal and left-wing Muslims and ex-Muslims as an unrepresentative minority it was a waste of time supporting.

I could continue, but in its hypocrisies Hope not Hate's response illuminates a wider cultural crisis. Teachers, musicians, comedians, authors and liberal-left intellectuals and politicians ignore the Islamist far-Right. They are frightened of accusations of racism. They think the cause of liberal Muslims hopeless, and not worth arguing for. As a result, the young men who end up killing, enslaving, raping and dying in Syria and Iraq — and maybe soon in Britain too — have not grown up hearing arguments against extremism. British culture has presented them with racism on the one hand and silence on the other. A potentially violent young man attracted to neo-Nazi extremism will take a cultural battering. But when it comes to the equally fascistic doctrines of radical Islam, fair-weather feminists and pseudo-leftists don't want to argue. Hope not Hate and part-time anti-fascists will protest only if extremism topples over into violence, by which time the battle of ideas has been lost and the time for protest gone.

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amcdonald
May 20th, 2015
2:05 PM
Anonymous claims there is no support from the left for radical islam. He should read Nick Cohen about Unite and its support of the Tower Hamlets islamo-mafia. The Labour Party lost the election because it is soft on islam. Rod Liddle in the Spectator elaborates some extra reasons. The Labour Party may never be electable because of it`s waffling evasions. Multiculturalism is not multicultural. Islam is not multicultural. It wants a sharia caliphate.The Liberal delusion is that everyone`s a `rational actor`. The Koran is 100% irrational lies. The Left can get on with losing the next election too. At least the voters got rid of George Galloway. Michael Gove and Douglas Murray helped secure a tory victory. As for the future of Darwinian capitalism ,free speech and independence of mind, that remains to be seen.

Anonymous
May 17th, 2015
10:05 AM
Are you lot actually for real? You need some help, I think. What are you proposing - chuck anyone out that seems like they could be extremist Islam? The way you talk treads dangerous territory. There is no support of radical Islam from the left, merely support of anyone who is accused of it when it is unwarranted. If you see real danger, report it. Otherwise, get on with your lives.

Billy Corr
April 5th, 2015
11:04 AM
The question the ungoodthinkful are inclined to think but disinclined to ask aloud is; "Who let this garbage into our country? And why?" Well, O best beloved, the capitalist class wanted cheap and tractable labour in the milltowns (and elsewhere) and the goodthinkful simply adored having people they could patronise for being brown-skinned, politically-ignorant and poor.

amcdonald
April 2nd, 2015
5:04 PM
Douglas Murray and Roger Scruton are philosophising over at the Spectator. Michael Gove is defending Christianity and Julie Burchill has been on a silent retreat at St Cuthman`s ! It`s interesting that the atheists Slavoj Zizek and Camille Paglia make the best cases for Christianity. Tonight the magnificent 7 politicians will tell us how they intend to completely wreck the country. Vaudeville? Panto-politics? Democracy and the 7 Dwarves ? The Pegida UK facebook also has a sense of humour (and Christianity) that it`s enemies do not. April 4, opposite Downing St, for the Pegida UK public event.

amcdonald
March 19th, 2015
12:03 AM
No doubt the `George Galloways` will be out in their thousands to counter-demonstrate (ie caricature Pegida then attack the caricature) against the PEGIDA UK anti-islamisation demo/educational initiative in London April 4. All the info on the Pegida UK facebook page. It`ll be all over the news in a few weeks.

amcdonald
February 25th, 2015
6:02 PM
George Galloway says he will be part of the counter-demo against the Pegida demo in Newcastle. He`s rising to the bait like a demented trout. No doubt he will speak in tongues too (as in forked) with his mouth stuffed with islamo-gold and taqiya. Vote George for colonialist,racist sharia and gruel-propadanda .

amcdonald
February 24th, 2015
10:02 PM
According to the Newcastle Evening Chronicle `thousands` of so-called anti-fascists (anti-Israel too) will be protesting the `hundreds` of PEGIDA/EDL anti-islamisation marchers this Saturday in Newcastle city centre.

David Mitchell
February 24th, 2015
9:02 PM
The Truth about Islam The existing terrorist threat in the UK and a warning of the conflcit to come:- Muslim leaders and preachers proclaim the evil and fanatical ideology of Islam which forms the core belief of muslim identity. They revile and preach hatred of Christians, Jews and non believers who are called Kuffar. Islam is an extremely dangerous, extremely violent, mysogynist ideology. The Koran states: "slay the unbelievers wherever you find them" (2:191) ;" terrorise and behead those who believe in scriptures other than the Qur’an" (8:12) Muslims reject and disdain western values of freedom and democracy, but cunningly use all the powers of democratic legitimacy and the benefits conferred on them in western secular society to demand the construction of more mosques, the subjugation and veiling of women (Life for most muslim women is a dystopian nightmare from which they cannot escape), the cruel and bestial practice of female genital mutilation, (punishable by up to 14 years in prison under English Law, but few cases are brought before the courts), polygamy, forced marriages, often of children and minors, the prohibition of alcohol, the cruel and barbaric halal slaughter of farm animals. Muslims hold beliefs advocating criminal justice that sanctions punishments perpetrating medieval savagery, including public beheading, hanging, amputation,stoning to death, flogging, muslims who convert to Christianity are sentenced to death. The Archbishop of Canterbury has warned that Christians are being deliberately attacked because of their faith in parts of the muslim world and even martyred for their faith in large numbers. Millions of muslims live in Britain and many of them neither condone nor condemn bloody mass murder and atrocities committed by their activists who call themselves 'soldiers of allah'. Let nobody be under any illusion spread by their preachers and propagandists that islam is a religion of peace, because anyone who dares to speak out against muslims risks being killed and butchered by their activists, "Maim and crucify the infidels if they criticise Islam" Koran- (5:33) British Soldiers are frequently subjected to death threats. On Wednesday 22 May 2013, a day of infamy, the full force of islamic malice and savagery found its target and willing perpetrators, two 'soldiers of allah' committed the brutal bloody murder of Fusilier Lee Rigby.There are currently an estimated 12,000 muslim fanatics in UK prisons at an annual cost of over £500 million, most if not all of them will eventually be released, 100 of them are classified extremely dangerous. Due to the lax and lenient Criminal Justice System driven by the need to reduce costs, many of them could be released early, free to carry out terrorist attacks to murder and maim potentially thousands of people. The British Government will have failed in its primary duty to maintain the security of its citizens. Islamic idealogy is fundamentally opposed to the collective conscience of the majority of British people and sets muslims in direct conflict with the values of Western Civilization. Higher muslim birth rates will produce a majority muslim population in large parts of Britain by the year 2035. England is on course to become a muslim country before the end of the century. The supreme symbol of muslim dominance will be the conversion of Canterbury Cathedral into a mosque destroying over one thousand four hundred years of Christian Civilization and History. Muslim leaders will be exultant to repeat the precedent of 1453, when the leader of the Ottoman Turks, Sultan Memhed II ordered the Hagia Sophia, the main church of Orthodox Christianity to be converted into a mosque, symbolizing his conquest of Constantinople. Christian worshippers inside the church were slaughtered without mercy and the building was desecrated and looted. In future years internecine warfare will break out as increasing acts of muslim terrorism spread throughout the land. Their avowed objective of imposing a muslim caliphate in Britain by terrorising the non muslim population into submission to this vicious evil creed will cause civil strife on an unprecedented scale. The battle for the defence of Judeo-Christian Civilization against muslim barbarism will continue a conflict which has lasted for centuries, except the battles to come will be fought on mainland Britain and France. "The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing" Edmund Burke, 18th Century statesman, author and philosopher.

amcdonald
February 12th, 2015
12:02 AM
There`s also a direct link on the EDL website/twitter to superb Julie Burchill`s pro-jewish article in the Jewish News (5 feb). Very civilised of all concerned.

amcdonald
February 11th, 2015
2:02 AM
Douglas Murray`s recent articles in the Spectator online are also much appreciated on the EDL website/twitter. Mr Murray is not just communicating with the middle-class here or elsewhere.

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