SB: I would agree with that, but the countries which have been most successful in emerging from this poverty have been countries - some of them horrible dictatorships that I hate, but nevertheless - that have adopted elements of the market system. Some of them have accepted large inflows of capital, but some of them are actually supplying the West with capital, which seems a little odd. It might seem immoral to some bishops, but in fact a very high savings rate in China and in the Opec countries has not produced a world depression, because the Americans have been consumers of last resort, and have borrowed these savings. Now the only kind of sermon that I can see about it would be Bernard Mandeville's Fable of the Bees. These were sort of anti-moral moralities that made a lot of people in the 18th century very cross.
DJ: So we end not with Marx but with Mandeville. That's very good. He certainly seems a more 21st-century figure.
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