There is a counter-argument that used to have a great deal of weight. Be serious, it goes, despite the endless use of the term, Europe's fascist numbers are so low that the BNP is outnumbered 40-to-one by Britons who identify as Jedi. Besides, no one can do everything, and there are enough people keeping an eye on the native far-Right, so we can afford to just focus on the Jihadis.

This used to carry a great deal of weight, but it no longer does. Not after Breivik. The problem of a reborn European fascist movement cannot be dismissed as only propaganda, regardless of how many do use it only as propaganda.

The question that both Spencer and Geller need to answer is: what ultimate aim is their work supposed to achieve?

Here is one endgame, from the website Gates of Vienna, which publishes Jensen's work. The argument made, in particular by their blogger El Ingles, is that European democracy is so decadent and cowardly that it will simply deliver all nations to Islamic rule or civil war without rousing itself. Therefore, it is best to begin the civil war as soon as possible, while the odds are most in infidel favour. Therefore terrorist actions should be carried out against Muslim civilians to provoke a backlash, which in turn will drive more European infidels to violence, ultimately shattering the democratic states, providing the chaos necessary for the violent revolution necessary to "save" Europe.

Let us grant that the internet is full of swaggering blowhards and if 10 per cent of what is said in its dank recesses was serious then no European capital would be substantially different from Mogadishu. Granting that, to just dismiss this as braggadocio would be irresponsible in the extreme — a point understood by the person who brought this to my attention. You might think that this was Searchlight or the American Southern Poverty Law Center. In actual fact, the person who first spoke of his concerns of the wickedness and danger of this stuff was none other than Nick Griffin.