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What I do see among the EDL are several non-white faces. Only a handful, and many fewer than Robinson told me to expect, but their presence has to count for something against the accusations of racism. I don't hear any racist slurs either, and the most inflammatory chant I hear is "church not mosque, church not mosque". But it is not a popular chant, and passes quickly. Robinson is not religious himself — he thinks "everyone has the right to practise their own religion" — and the EDL's Templar cross-style logo is probably a relic of Paul Ray's fondness for Crusader imagery. But if Christianity did start to become a major theme then the EDL might become more dangerous. As it stands, the core of the EDL is a group of men who  perhaps, at worst, would quite like to beat up Anjem Choudary or have a fight with al-Muhajiroun. At the fringes, there will in all probability remain some who would settle for beating up some ordinary Muslims. And it is up to the police, and the EDL itself, to deal with this. While Tommy Robinson is in charge, the group's rhetoric will be unsophisticated, politically incorrect, and subject to flights of irrationality, but it will not be hateful. This is not the far-Right running loose on our streets.

As for the UAF, if they are at all serious about their stated aims they will at least start splitting their time between the EDL and the group that they have so far ignored. This other group is equal to or greater in size than the EDL, it is taking to the streets this autumn and, unlike the EDL, is united by a fanatical ideology opposed to every liberal value. It's called al-Muhajiroun. 

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Northants
October 26th, 2010
8:10 PM
Seachlight and HnH reckon Davy Cooling now lives in Daventry and is a member of the BNP. He is not a member of the BNP in Northants

J.bro
June 28th, 2010
11:06 PM
No. The difference between Al Muhajaroon and EDL is that Al Muhajaroon only have 50 people turning up for their protests. EDL has 2,000 and it's growing. It's a street army that can kick off and fuel intolerance. That's why you are getting more so called "lone wolf" white extremists getting arrested for trying to blow things up. The EDL are (to steal a phrase from your friend Ed Hussein) "playing the mood music" for those extremists.

D. Singh
December 3rd, 2009
9:12 AM
Sir It’s a long time since I’ve read a well-balanced article. Amis states: ‘It's a horrible feeling, not being able to criticise a system of thought, and one that is completely alien to our way of life. The feeling disturbs you so deeply when you encounter it that it becomes easy to start considering alarming theories,…’ This occurs because self-censorship is the worst form of oppression. Amis states: ‘But if Christianity did start to become a major theme then the EDL might become more dangerous.’ Why would it become more dangerous? Some of the best dissidents in the East and the West have been influenced by Christianity. For example, the great Russian dissident Alexander Solzhenitsyn and Dr Martin Luther-King Jr in the USA.

Lawrence
November 4th, 2009
11:11 AM
this is the first good piece I have read on the EDL. When they first appeared, I had no idea what to make of them and knew that the British media, Left or Right could not be trusted, the media being an unfunny joke and coming at it from preconceived directions. I thought that investigative political journalism had died in Britain. This article proves otherwise - a breath of fresh air.

Steve Bush
November 4th, 2009
12:11 AM
The article is interesting, but it does show that the EDL was basically started by BNP members, that many of it's members and supporters 'overlap' with the BNP. The EDL leadership and some of its supporters aren't racist - good. But I still don't know why they are protesting, or what they are 'defending' us from. Islamic extremists are an even more tiny minority than the EDL. I can only put it down to the hysteria in the media constantly against islam. I do agree that the tactics of the UAF are bollocks and counterproductive, but that's nothing new, it's forerunner the ANL was similarly shit. How standing behind Police screaming abuse through a megaphone achieves anything I will never know.

Maz Clarke
October 31st, 2009
9:10 AM
To the poster below calling his/herself 'article'. The "myriad Nazi salutes" you mention are simply not from the EDL, yes there have been a few at our protests but they were unfortunate incidents of infiltration by the extreme right intent on hijacking the EDL for their own foul agenda. They are neither wanted nor tolerated by EDL, also a good many of the pictures touted as "Nazi salutes" are well chosen stills from video footage of guys simply waving their arms whilst chanting. If you look, many are obvious due to motion blur. Once you see this for yourself you need to treat the source of such 'evidence' with suspicion. The Harrow mosque protest wasn't EDL in the first place, we need to get that perfectly straight. It was a SIOE protest that had been called off, hence only 15-20 people present, they apparently hadn't received the information regarding the cancellation. Anyone wishing to see the viewpoint of the EDL for themselves is more than welcome to visit our forum. Many who initially came along with an open mind to see the "fascists" for themselves are now highly active members. They come from all creeds and a wider than you would expect section of the political spectrum. Please come over, provided you remain civil you will be made very welcome.

David McDaid
October 31st, 2009
9:10 AM
Excellent, unbiased article. Just the way journalism should be (truthful)! I'd like to see more from you guys so I for one will be a regular reader here. It's so rare to find neutral media these days.

saj
October 31st, 2009
12:10 AM
So just as expected Al Muhajerun not to turn up it has come to pass they have cancelled! no surprise there could it be that they are 'billy no mates'. Al Muhajerun have no support simple as that they are not allowed in any mosques and they are not qulaified islamic scholars they are a dodgy MI5 outfit. However the racist and Islamaphobes have latched on to this tiny bunch of nutters to spread their poison!

Kafir
October 30th, 2009
6:10 PM
Comment by "Article": * have you missed the fact that the saluters were kicked out? * have you missed the fact that many raised arms can look slightly nazi? * did you not see Muslims in the 1000+ strong Harrow mob doing Nazi salutes? and finally, please stop talking about Harrow. It was an SIOE event, nothing to do with EDL. But basically, you already know what you want to believe, so why let these inconvenient facts get in the way? To Louis Amis: finally an accurate article on this topic, well done.

Saj
October 30th, 2009
3:10 PM
What an absolute joke! The ignorance of the writer concerning the Al Muhajerun is laughable! They have no support in the Muslims community whatsoever! They can hardly get a dozen people to March! You've got no idea about how the mosques are run and how much they oppose MI5 Anjum! Fact is Anjum Choudry Al Muhajerun who number LESS THAN 50 nationally at best! are so hated by the UK Muslim community that they have been banned from every mosque and have been chased and beaten up literally since the 1990’s especially in the North and they will never get support from UK Muslims (that’s why you never see them up North but that’s another whole topic altogether). It’s a shame that this has not been publicised and very few people except Muslims are aware of this. People really need to know that the UK Muslim community have been fighting this tiny vociferous Minority for the last 15 years! Out of over a thousand mosques in the country they were only able to preach at one i.e. Finsbury Park Mosque and that was only after they physically beat up the trustees and took it over. Thankfully the mosque is now back with the trustees after successful legal action. That’s why they are always on the streets or talking to the media who lap it all up, Anjum Choudry is not even a trained qualified Islamic Scholar in fact he did law at uni before he became a looney. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/article1051304.ece Many Muslims believe they are MI5 agents used as a honey trap or agent provocateurs. Ask yourselves this, why is Anjum Choudry never arrested??? Why do high profile MPs call for action against them and then nothing happens and you never hear about it ever again? Why do they only pop up at the most opportune moments cause extreme offence and then disappear again? Why are they on first name terms with the media/journalists? Why are they portrayed as if they have support from and speak for the UK Muslim community? This whole outfit stinks! The EDL are thick! They are plain racist! with their 'paki' chants and Nazi salutes! They are using a single issue like MI5 Anjum to beat a whole community! If they didnt have Anjum they would find another excuse!

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