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The problem in Barenboim's analyis though, is the very humanity of the musical experience he identifies. Because surely, when we get metaphysical about music, what we are looking for is an escape from ourselves, a direct glimpse of something transcendental, something objective if inchoate, a grappling with time and timelessness, with being and not-being, which goes beyond the messy subjectivity of our day to day perceptions and our all too limited language. We still long to grant musical discourse a special relationship with the world, we hanker after the music of the spheres. "Such harmony", Lorenzo says to Jessica in The Merchant of Venice, "is in immortal souls;/But whilst this muddy vesture of decay/Doth grossly close it in, we cannot hear it." Romanticism's claim for our musical tradition is that in it, we hear some echo of the cosmos.

In the baldest sense this is pretentious nonsense. Music is a language, with a syntax which, whether generated by culture or embedded in our genetic make-up - or, most likely, a combination of both - is just as bound to us, to our humanity and our limited cognition, as ordinary language. There is no magical escape from the bounds of the human, from the veil of unknowing, the bonds of time.

And yet: In the same way that the metaphysicians - Schopenhauer, Heidegger, Jaspers - try to approach the unsayable and the unknowable, to break out of the limits of language and give at least an inkling, however illegitimate an inkling, of the nature of being and time (and I have to say that their attempts have never persuaded me, not that I'm a philosopher), music grapples with the sublime and the transcendent. In doing so it uses a language which, in its very lack of a proper semantics, its lack of definition, its continual striving to speak without actually speaking (or in the case of vocal music, saying so much more than is actually said), reaches outside itself more credibly than the jargon of the philosophers.

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Mr. Wonderful
January 3rd, 2009
8:01 PM
I'm not sure what the thesis is here--that we want music to be a bridge to the transcendent? And that it either is, or isn't? If so, then everything depends on what we mean by "the transcendent." We want an experience "beyond" (there's your spatial metaphor) our self, but can anything be experienced without at least a tiny speck of self-awareness? Complete transcendence, in this sense, may be impossible, or symptomatic of insanity. I don't think you can experience the sublime, or the beautiful, or the exalted, without knowing (and knowing that you know, etc.) that you're doing so. Having said that, I would agree that music can get us that far--however much farther we long to go.

Anonymous
January 3rd, 2009
8:01 PM
I too am outraged by the hostile, angry, nasty (and stupid) comments by Castrell.

Anonymous
January 3rd, 2009
6:01 PM
I found L. E. Cantrell's comment to be a bitchy personal attack devoid of ideas and not worthy of this forum, which is intended for open discussion, not slamming the door on it.

Roger Evans, New York
January 3rd, 2009
5:01 PM
Mr or Ms Cantrell: Have you considered the possibility that the problem is with the receiver, not the transmitter?

Bjorn Merker
January 3rd, 2009
4:01 PM
It is hardly as a "pitch-time continuum" that music attains to the pattern richness by which it fascinates us. Rather, it typically throws away most of the continua of pitch and time to retain only a skeleton of discrete pitches - the musical notes by which it builds melodies - and discrete durations with proportinal values that are the grist of its rhythm mill. For more on this search Google for "Music: the missing Humboldt system".

Pat Carroll
January 3rd, 2009
1:01 PM
What if we look for an escape from language to ourselves, a glimpse of something not transcendental but inhering? Suppose music lets us grasp the here, now? Subjectivity need not be messy.

Paul
January 3rd, 2009
1:01 PM
Indeed, music touches parts of the human psyche with a speed and force seemingly incapable by other means. That, to me, is the transcedence in it: the almost divine aspect, if you will. When I hear certain guitar melodies for instance(which, from my experience, are primarily rock and jazz based), they can repeatedly generate emotion to the point of tears ~ and that almost immediately. Call me a "romantic," but there's something magical ~ metaphysical ~ in those plucked strings.

L. E. Cantrell
January 3rd, 2009
11:01 AM
We have long-since recognized that Ian Bostridge is a singer with very little to say, now we see that he is a philosopher with even less to say.

John Borstlap
January 3rd, 2009
11:01 AM
But (the best) music IS transcendental: why not trust our real experience? Music is 'the language of emotional experience' and all those stirrings relating to 'the spirit', 'the cosmos' etc., are irrational but yet no less real. They are built-in into our being and (the best) music expresses them, confirms them, reflects them, and the source outside ourselves from whence the musical impulse comes. Thus (the best) music is aspirational and stimulating in the broadest and deepest sense. This is the same in any culture, just realised in different forms. It is part of being human to be able to experience these fluid things, and it is a rationalistic (western) restriction to see these notions as 'just' human i.e. subjective projections and man-made simulacrae. As our physical senses connect us with outer reality, it is plausible to assume that there may be inner, psychological senses that connect us with a transcendental realm. The experience of great music can include both the subjectively human and the objectively spiritual - no need to be 'religious' to get the 'kick'.

Dorothy Spafard Hull
January 3rd, 2009
6:01 AM
This concept of music is very meaningful to me. As a musician who listens a lot as well as playing music, I find that I sometimes seem to transcend space-time and our ordinary life when I hear or play certain pieces of music - especially those of Beethoven.

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