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In addition to this, and arguably more widespread, is what has been called "procedural secularism". This assumes that the public space is a tabula rasa and that consensus about the issues of the day will develop as all sides contribute to the debate. In its best forms, it is willing to allow religious perspectives to be active in this debate. The problem is, of course, that the public space is not, and never has been, a blank slate on which anything can be written. It has its own plausibility structures, assumptions and norms. If these are not informed by a Christian vision, they will undoubtedly be informed by some other paradigm, whether that is Marxism, programmatic secularism or some other worldview. The people of this country have to decide which they would rather have: the tried and tested paradigm of the Christian faith, which, even if imperfectly understood and applied, has served them well, or untested theories which may appear to confer greater liberty on individuals but which can lead to social disaster.

The crises have revealed the peril in which we find ourselves. What is the way out of danger? We should not put too much hope in the institutions somehow renewing themselves. What we need are genuinely popular movements for the renewal of national life as a whole. One of the elements missing in the political life of this country is Christian Democracy. I am not saying that we should simply imitate what happens in Europe and elsewhere but politicians of all kinds should consider whether political movements founded on Christian principles would be beneficial for the political process.

It may be that we need a grand assembly of political and community leaders and the Third Sector, as well as representatives of churches and faith communities to discuss these issues openly and thoroughly so that a national consensus may emerge. We want a nation at ease with itself where relationships, each in its own way, are deep and enduring, where there is opportunity for the nurture of the soul as well as the body and where there is a clear moral and spiritual vision which is about the destiny of persons as well as communities. If we can obtain a consensus, which is not only political and economic but also spiritual and moral, then these crises we are facing will have been worth it.

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Anth
August 24th, 2009
3:08 PM
Zieb, you're wrong. There are brilliant intellects who came to believe in the truth of the Biblical revelation precisely because of their outstanding mental acuity and their refusal to deny what their logic led them to believe. The strange notion that there is some kind of conflict between reason and faith is a very recent invention. The hatred you express towards God seems to be born of prejudice rather than open-minded research ; if you use cliches as premisses, it’s no surprise if your conclusions are equally trite.

zieb tallok
August 21st, 2009
10:08 PM
Um, maybe its time to move on. Give up faith - the belief in things without good reason to believe in them - and maybe you'll be less likely to be taken advantage of in the future. If you think Christian values are all good, you've got to start paying more attention. Read the bible. Not just the parts your good Reverend Molest-A-Lot tells you to, but ALL of it. Rape, murder, incest, infanticide, mass killings, etc etc. God of the bible is an asshole. All the good values we speak about the bible giving us existed before, were codified by other religions long before Christianity and were simply usurped by it. In fact, most of them are based on biology and evolution. Being good to your neighbor, well, we've discovered help keep YOU alive, if he adopts the same attitude. Animals have been doing it forever without the dubious aid of religion. Its built into the species, in fact its built into many species. Move on people, nothing to see here but the sad collapse of Christianity as it peters out into nothingness. It wasn't a victim of its own success, sorry to say. People have just woken up and realized they don't need that fantasy anymore. If you blame the financial crisis on ungodly behavior, you really need to start paying more attention. The problem is not with ungodly people committing ungodly crimes, its partially however with godly people, who have a tendency to believe in things without any proof or research, because that's exactly what god wants them to do. Fact is, religious people are gullible and easily manipulable. Smart criminals know this. All leaders know this. Everyone except religious people know this. Did I just blame the financial crisis on the god fearing victims of the crisis? Obviously its not so straightforward. But fundamentally, the ability to have religious faith hinges on the willing abandonment of critical thinking. So, I'm blaming bad thinking, stupidity, and faith, taken advantage of by criminals.

Robert Landbeck
July 23rd, 2009
8:07 PM
Only God can save us from ourselves because religion has utterly failed to do the job. That must mean religion, as understood by tradition, has nothing to do with that reality! http://energon.org.uk

John
July 3rd, 2009
7:07 AM
Personally I find that these two references sum up the truth of the Christian ethic as it has been applied right from the moment it was co-opted by the Roman state--what we have now is just business as usual. 1. www.jesusneverexisted.com/cruelty.html 2. www.dartmouth.edu/~spanmod/mural/panel13.html

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