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On the BBC's Question Time, in the week itself, and only a few days after the story had broken, a Hammersmith audience booed my suggestion that the death of bin Laden was a good thing. Panel and audience members declared themselves "depressed" by the jubilant American reaction. And inevitably the illegality of the action morphed into the subject of most concern, until the debate was overtaken by a discussion of whether the exact proprieties of Muslim burial rites had been accorded to the terrorist's body. The near-universal agreement was that they had not, and there was much lamenting of the same.

Of course, this being the UK rather than the US, the people who did take to the streets were not those happy at bin Laden's demise. On the Friday after his death, a group of Islamists associated with the banned group Al-Muhajiroun, and now calling themselves "Muslims Against Crusades", marched through London to the US Embassy. About 150 bearded men and their shrouded, invisible wives conducted a funeral procession and prayers for bin Laden. Outside the embassy it turned into that fixture of modern Britain: the Islamists waved placards, insulted America, called for the immediate implementation of Sharia law and promised revenge attacks, with the police ensuring that they were safe doing so.

Writing soon after 9/11, Kagan memorably identified those nations that remain in history (having to act and behave in the way that historical states act) and those who believe they have gone beyond history, indeed surpassed it. The fulfilment of the Kantian dream of universal and perpetual peace is presumed to have come to these countries. Sweden, Ireland, Belgium and many others: these are countries which have entered an era in which they believe themselves to be beyond the temptations and pitfalls of the past. To these people it is not just an idea, but an inevitability, that warfare and conflict are behind them. Admittedly, dispute and conflict do arise, but where they used to be resolved by war, now they are resolved by international law. Conflict is just so 20th century. And of course it's just as well, because we don't have the money to pay for it anyway.

For hand-in-hand with the belief that war is behind us is the wish to provide as many people as possible with as much welfare as possible. Defence budgets are cut to a bare minimum, hovering around the one or two percentage mark as a proportion of public expenditure. This allows the vast bulk of available (and unavailable) funds to be splashed out on welfare budgets, producing a populace as physically obese and morally decadent as it is possible to be. In such a state, if a person exists who declares war on your country, your  civilisation, who orders the flying of planes into your buildings and the blowing up of your trains, then that man should be found, handcuffed, read his rights, and led away to speak with lawyers.

There are a number of obscenities at the heart of the British response to bin Laden's death, but one thing stands at its core. As Kagan puts it, Europe has long inhabited a "post-historical paradise", while America still lives in the historical world of power and conflict. Britain, having wavered on the brink of history, has now clearly and unmistakably tumbled over the edge, into Europe's post-historical paradise.

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JC Foreman
September 20th, 2011
10:09 PM
Yes a "post-historical paradise". That is what we currently occupy. Simon Reynolds recently released a new book titled: "Retromania Pop Culture's Addiction to its own past". It covers a similar theme to this from a music perspective, that we have entered a post creative artistic world. All the new music being released or is rehash of earlier music. The big question is whether this is just a European or American phenomenon or an inevitable human destiny and that we are simply ahead on the curve, a post-historical humanity?

manolo
June 12th, 2011
1:06 AM
totally agreed with the ny reader

A Reader from NYC
June 10th, 2011
1:06 PM
If President Obama's self-congratulatory announcement of Bin Laden's death did more to set himself up as a punchline rather than a paladin, the ensuing drunken "frat party" atmosphere that desecrated Ground Zero, where the remains of countless victims are still interred, was - or should have been - an embarrassment to the whole country. As I watched the U.S. news networks get caught up in this festal mood, I wondered whether one brave reporter might dare show a side-by-side shot of the pandemonium at Ground Zero and footage of the Palestinians in the West Bank and Gaza who danced on their rooftops on 9/11. None did. While I make no analogies between the deaths of 3000 innocents and the one tyrant behind their murders, as an American, I would argue that, even if the joy felt by many is perfectly understandable and justified, this cannot and must not be a license to abandon all reason and dignity, particularly when the world is watching. Therefore, while I applaud Mr. Murray's candid analysis of reactions across the pond, the unseemly conduct of the relative few in my own backyard has cast a large shadow on a nation whose global influence continues to diminish and whose position as Leader of the Free World is now more a matter of perception than fact.

Wes Brown
June 4th, 2011
11:06 AM
A sad time. United States forces kill leader of a Islamo-fascist cult engaged in war with the West, and all our 'morally superior' Leftwing friends can do is find even more tenuous and extravagant ways to critique America.

Anonymous
June 2nd, 2011
11:06 AM
"States are only able to feel beyond history because there are other states, like Israel and America, who remain in it, who kill our enemies for us and keep us safe because we do not have the inclination, the time or the money to so distract ourselves from our pleasures." How true. And how shameful for us.

Paul
June 1st, 2011
7:06 PM
Excellent article Douglas, as too was your performance on Question Time. If its any consolation, I for one was very happy to hear that Osama had been killed. Well done America! Jim, I have to agree with John. You comment is dreary and ill-informed.

John
May 30th, 2011
5:05 PM
Another top article Douglas keep up the good work. As for the below comment by Jim Graham, why don't you have some respect instead of labelling someones writing as ''bollocks.'' Nobody is asking you to agree with it, showing respect is the least you can do, but of course you're so up your own backside thinking you know it all yourself you haven't even got the decency to do that. You just sound like a miserable old fart quite frankly! Haha

Jim Graham
May 27th, 2011
11:05 PM
Nearly ten years after publication, Douglas Murray comes up with a badly written rehash of Robert Kagan’s Paradise and Power (hardly the masterpiece that Murray makes out). Kagan’s thesis is well written, forcefully argued but mostly his analysis is skewed and his conclusions are wrong. Murray attempts an analysis of supposed European attitudes to the death of Bin Laden and then interpret it within Kagan’s framework. Bad writing is the sure sign of confused and lazy thinking. Instead of sticking to his proposal and marshalling appropriate evidence he uses the death of Bin laden to turn in and out of so many blind alleys and one way streets. The most egregious example being, “as physically obese and morally decadent as it is possible to be” when talking about the results of European welfare arrangements. Now I’ve travelled a bit, both in Europe and the USA, and I must say it is only in the USA that obesity is noticeable as an everyday fact. When I hear the phrase “Morally decadent as it is possible to be”, I think of Caligula, The Hellfire Club, Sodom and Gomorrah not welfare queens living in council estates. This is simply bollocks and the whole article is littered with this stuff. As it turns out his whole piece is based on a couple of liberal lawyers asserting a preference for a courtroom, some beards protesting outside the American embassy, a Guardian editorial, some handwringing from the Archbishop of Canterbury and, most comically, Murray’s own appearance on question time. When I pay £4.50 for my copy of Standpoint I expect better than lacklustre and thoughtless prose and a weak rehash of an old book.

Universalgeni
May 26th, 2011
6:05 PM
Bin Ladens death was suiside by soldier. He could have surendered...

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