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The Habsburgs would have restored order with a mixture of large bribes, expulsions, prison sentences and the odd execution, because they rightly saw that there was a deeper poison in nationalism than in any countermeasure. Their reasons were self-serving, but subsequent events proved them correct. It is obviously admirable that the UK authorities cannot simply let Salmond cool his heels on the Isle of Man for a few years, but those who value the plurality and anti-nationalism of the UK have sleepily allowed themselves to drift into a situation where they find themselves face to face with something seriously malevolent which feeds off fear, misinformation, conspiracy, grandstanding and scapegoating. We have no choice but to be reasonable or we betray our own values, but this is, as so many times in Europe's 20th century, to allow ourselves to be outflanked by more single-minded forces.

Indeed it may well be already too late. It must surely be a nightmare to imagine a Scotland falling into the well-worn independence rut of a week or two of parading figures, giant flags and tiny singing children in traditional outfits, followed moments thereafter by impoverishment, a hostile border, flailing autarky and the ever widening hunt for "enemies within", those who hate and challenge the barely legitimate new state, fuelled by dissident groups in England. This is an absurd vision except that I cannot see a way round it. Or at least, the risks around it seem far too great. No part of Europe has proved immune to nationalist violence — even the dullest regions have been filled with burning houses in their quite recent pasts. Through a miracle of geography, luck, military strength and political intelligence, the island of Great Britain almost alone has avoided this contagion. Nationalism is unappeasable, it soils everything in its path and it has been allowed to cross the North Sea.

If Salmond wants to share everything with the rest of the UK, then there is no need for independence. But this is not what he wants. The referendum is meant to be a moment of chain-shattering change — not just a mild and highly dubious redirecting of revenues to a new state's smirking functionaries. Yet it is impossible to imagine this a happy place, or one which offers any actual benefit to most of its inhabitants. It could in turn promote a disgusting new variety of English nationalism. The SNP will be unable to deliver anything real and will instead create an excluding, under-siege Volk-community, with marginally better crèche facilities. This would be a state  viewed with repugnance by most other Europeans and would be a fantastically retrograde step, one that is being managed into being with slipshod and juvenile helplessness by the "Westminster government" almost as much as it has been whipped up by the SNP itself.   
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Roddy
September 7th, 2014
4:09 PM
Very black and white analysis. Yes, nationalism is a horrible thing; yes, there is a nationalist element to scottish politics; yes, it factors in the referendum and there are some very scary things creeping in from the SNP. BUT there is far more to the referendum than that... for many scots wanting independence is the very opposite of a flag waving excersise... many scots who have decided to vote yes would ideally prefer to stay within the UK state, consider themselves british and feel great affinity to other people on these islands but feel that on balance the systems in place at westminster do not serve well- the first past the post voting system being a big one- and are not confident in being able to change these things so with a heavy heart have come to the conclusion that despite the uncertainties and losing the actual and potential benefits of being part of the UK, that independence for scotland would be the best option.

Anonymous
September 6th, 2014
12:09 PM
Mr winder has got about right. The British have been so snug in their tight little island for so long that they are blind to the threat that Scottish Independence brings. Think of the Union like a log of wood it's inert and passive. Until you start to rip it for planks. at this point all the stresses constrained in the lignum and fibres are released and it can take up all sorts of strange twists. Mr Massie can't see this because he hasn't the imagination or he's indulging in some wistful thinking. An 'independent' Scotland will be an uncomfortable place to live.

JFR
August 27th, 2014
8:08 AM
What can be more negative than the breaking up of a nation into independant parts.The effects and cots of such will be with us for many many years. The main benifits will be seen by lawyers and Accountants as the assets and such are discussed ad infinitum . Scotland may have better family crèches but as a nation it will be very weak and seen by many as a failed nation.

James K
June 18th, 2014
1:06 AM
The Shetlands will vote against independence, and will be retained in the UK, along with their share of the oil. With or without the Shetlands, Scottish independence will not bring the promised benefits, and there will be a search for scapegoats. English residents in Scotland will be easy targets. The SNP will have fulfilled its purpose and will cease to exist. A Unionist party might take its place, but it will be treated with contempt and even with violence by the majority.

Anonymous
June 15th, 2014
8:06 PM
An independent Scotland would fall over itself to be socialist, internationalist and multicultural. We like to think we were never involved in the Empire and are incapable of racism. We project these things onto the English and hate them for it - hence the reception of Farage.

Robert Burns Glennie
May 3rd, 2014
6:05 AM
I'm uncertain about the conclusions that the author has reached in regard to putative Scottish independence, and the movement that supports, based on his studies of the Hapsburg empire. I do share the certainty that the independence for Scotland is a stupid idea, though. As someone who ancestors hailed from Glasgow and Aberdeen, I state flatly that there is no Scottish `nation.' There is in the U.K. a national group, and that is the British. The Scots, like the English, are as `Anglo-Saxon' as they are `Celtic.'

chrisH
April 25th, 2014
8:04 PM
The authors point re Nationalism being mixed up with Socialism is a good one.Very dangerous-and, as we saw with the roughing up of Nigel Farage in Edinburgh last year-very troubling.

Alba
April 10th, 2014
10:04 PM
What next the Scots eat English babies? The independence movement is as far removed from fascism as it is possible to get. Unlike England, historically, fascism never found a foothold in Scotland. The author is projecting his arrogant prejudices and his gross ignorance of Scotland and her culture. What a shameful piece of writing especially given the history of rapacious militarism and Herrenvolkisch racism that drove the British imperium; a rôle model for the 20th century fascists.

Laurence
April 5th, 2014
12:04 PM
As others have mentioned, the 'anti' reactions to this piece seem quite hysterical. It seems to me to be a fairly reasonable discussion of the black side of petty nationalism and the damage it can do to a society. After what happened when Yugoslavia split up and local nationalisms burst out in full fury, I am amazed anyone could be in favour of breaking up a successful multinational liberal democracy like the UK on the grounds of pure 'chip on the shoulder' resentment and populist twaddle along the lines if that cartoon-like film, 'Braveheart'!

robert graham
April 4th, 2014
9:04 PM
anyone admit to reading this through to the end ? i have tried but i dont want to be the one who pushes this sad deluded tortured soul over the edge if this is an example of care in the community i think this policy needs investigation quickly

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