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Thinking about the Habsburgs, it is probably fair to say that they would have viewed the very idea of agreeing to a referendum as insane. We have somehow sleepwalked into a situation where our political classes have created something ruinous. The SNP are like the dwarves in The Hobbit who can only open the stone door into the mountain when the keyhole appears at a specific time on a specific day. To their amazement they found themselves in power through the implosion of Labour's credibility, facing off against a comically rebarbative (and atypical) "southern English toff" government in London, and in the run-up to the 700th anniversary of the Battle of Bannockburn. This entirely fluky alignment has made a bid for independence plausible, for a few moments: and so something which will be irreversible and hugely damaging to almost everyone involved has been somehow allowed to go ahead. Incidentally, should there not perhaps be some minor element in Nato's mission which involves dispatching squads to arrest anyone who organises political rallies around old battle commemorations? Or indeed arrests anyone who even tries to use some daft medieval scrimmage like Bannockburn to trump later centuries of cooperation and mutual respect? Anything involving slow drumbeats, flaming torches, body-paint, the usual junk, is so patently disturbing that it is hard to believe it is allowed to happen at all. It may be a grand day out for all the family, but there are plenty of places to put children's bouncy-castles other than on a blood-soaked field. In what sense is this any different from commemorating Tannenberg or Kosovo Polje? The atavistic anti-Englishness is no less horrible and mad than the anti-Russian or anti-Muslim connotations of these other two examples. How can this be in any sense "socialist", the key marker the SNP uses to differentiate itself and Scotland from a notionally less collectivist and welfarist England? But it in fact squares the circle in a very traditional way — it is "national socialist".    

Whatever the result of a referendum, it will change how the UK feels about itself in deeply destabilising ways. There is a chance that it could be positive that a long overdue general devolution of powers from London across the whole UK might happen. But the stakes are probably already too high for something so genial. Salmond has mortgaged his future on the idea that somehow an act of collective will by a group of people living at this moment within a specific geographical area and in a specific age group, will take a decision which will conjure into existence something better a state which future generations, those outside these borders and those too young to vote now will be grateful for. To reach this mystical goal he has fuelled what amounts to ethnic hatred, the sundering of previously natural relationships, a dislike of Scotland that was simply non-existent before and an angry bitterness for a large minority whatever the result. As he points the finger at an ever more bulging number of "enemy" targets — the "Westminster government" (a hideously creepy piece of "othering", transmuting Scotland's democratic forum for over 300 years into a sort of hostile camp), the EU, economists, business leaders-it is impossible not to hear in his recent speeches the violent and perhaps irreversible ripping apart of the innumerable bonds that have so far held the UK together.
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Roddy
September 7th, 2014
4:09 PM
Very black and white analysis. Yes, nationalism is a horrible thing; yes, there is a nationalist element to scottish politics; yes, it factors in the referendum and there are some very scary things creeping in from the SNP. BUT there is far more to the referendum than that... for many scots wanting independence is the very opposite of a flag waving excersise... many scots who have decided to vote yes would ideally prefer to stay within the UK state, consider themselves british and feel great affinity to other people on these islands but feel that on balance the systems in place at westminster do not serve well- the first past the post voting system being a big one- and are not confident in being able to change these things so with a heavy heart have come to the conclusion that despite the uncertainties and losing the actual and potential benefits of being part of the UK, that independence for scotland would be the best option.

Anonymous
September 6th, 2014
12:09 PM
Mr winder has got about right. The British have been so snug in their tight little island for so long that they are blind to the threat that Scottish Independence brings. Think of the Union like a log of wood it's inert and passive. Until you start to rip it for planks. at this point all the stresses constrained in the lignum and fibres are released and it can take up all sorts of strange twists. Mr Massie can't see this because he hasn't the imagination or he's indulging in some wistful thinking. An 'independent' Scotland will be an uncomfortable place to live.

JFR
August 27th, 2014
8:08 AM
What can be more negative than the breaking up of a nation into independant parts.The effects and cots of such will be with us for many many years. The main benifits will be seen by lawyers and Accountants as the assets and such are discussed ad infinitum . Scotland may have better family crèches but as a nation it will be very weak and seen by many as a failed nation.

James K
June 18th, 2014
1:06 AM
The Shetlands will vote against independence, and will be retained in the UK, along with their share of the oil. With or without the Shetlands, Scottish independence will not bring the promised benefits, and there will be a search for scapegoats. English residents in Scotland will be easy targets. The SNP will have fulfilled its purpose and will cease to exist. A Unionist party might take its place, but it will be treated with contempt and even with violence by the majority.

Anonymous
June 15th, 2014
8:06 PM
An independent Scotland would fall over itself to be socialist, internationalist and multicultural. We like to think we were never involved in the Empire and are incapable of racism. We project these things onto the English and hate them for it - hence the reception of Farage.

Robert Burns Glennie
May 3rd, 2014
6:05 AM
I'm uncertain about the conclusions that the author has reached in regard to putative Scottish independence, and the movement that supports, based on his studies of the Hapsburg empire. I do share the certainty that the independence for Scotland is a stupid idea, though. As someone who ancestors hailed from Glasgow and Aberdeen, I state flatly that there is no Scottish `nation.' There is in the U.K. a national group, and that is the British. The Scots, like the English, are as `Anglo-Saxon' as they are `Celtic.'

chrisH
April 25th, 2014
8:04 PM
The authors point re Nationalism being mixed up with Socialism is a good one.Very dangerous-and, as we saw with the roughing up of Nigel Farage in Edinburgh last year-very troubling.

Alba
April 10th, 2014
10:04 PM
What next the Scots eat English babies? The independence movement is as far removed from fascism as it is possible to get. Unlike England, historically, fascism never found a foothold in Scotland. The author is projecting his arrogant prejudices and his gross ignorance of Scotland and her culture. What a shameful piece of writing especially given the history of rapacious militarism and Herrenvolkisch racism that drove the British imperium; a rôle model for the 20th century fascists.

Laurence
April 5th, 2014
12:04 PM
As others have mentioned, the 'anti' reactions to this piece seem quite hysterical. It seems to me to be a fairly reasonable discussion of the black side of petty nationalism and the damage it can do to a society. After what happened when Yugoslavia split up and local nationalisms burst out in full fury, I am amazed anyone could be in favour of breaking up a successful multinational liberal democracy like the UK on the grounds of pure 'chip on the shoulder' resentment and populist twaddle along the lines if that cartoon-like film, 'Braveheart'!

robert graham
April 4th, 2014
9:04 PM
anyone admit to reading this through to the end ? i have tried but i dont want to be the one who pushes this sad deluded tortured soul over the edge if this is an example of care in the community i think this policy needs investigation quickly

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