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When last summer I first started suggesting to friends that there was something about Salmond's rhetoric that really worried me that it could be seen as effectively fascist in its mix of flag-waving mysticism allied to socioeconomic gestures to the Left I found few takers. But following February's UK-SNP name calling, threats and counter-threats I am much more confident that Salmond is indeed a deeply dangerous figure for the UK and a disaster for Scotland. Nationalists anywhere are never driven by reason, because their position is unrelated to reason. Salmond was already a nationalist when American, British and Dutch multinationals were investing many millions of pounds in North Sea oil exploration. His central argument about the autonomy made possible through ownership of oil royalties is therefore merely a rhetorical extra. His socialism is a fraud — he claims that these redirected royalties will make life better in Glasgow, but he intends to do this only by taking those royalties away from the impoverished of those cities outside his new borders so suddenly the people of Newcastle, say, are flung outside the pale and Scotland's flagship role in improving the condition of the working class throughout the United Kingdom is abandoned. Driving back and forth across the Scottish border myself the other week it seemed incredible to imagine that very soon this could mark a real and hostile line. Salmond claims that a specific group has virtues which are unavailable to those south of that line. But this is only sustainable (because it is untrue) by imagining an "other".

This "other" has been somewhat vague until now. But just as I feared, the process of nationalist state-making inevitably creates and then feeds an enemy, and this phase is now apparent in  two equally important and worrying groups. It is impossible not to speculate that the apparent incompetence of Salmond's ideas about currency union and the EU were specifically designed to goad the UK government and the EU into lashing out. Until recently it was probably fair to say that the vast majority of those in most areas of the UK excluded from the referendum had no strong views, beyond a mild incredulity that Scotland could possibly find it desirable to become independent. In a composite state where so many people feel themselves to be British, the language did not really exist to conceive of a United Kingdom which might no longer include such a large element of its Britishness. The potential threat of a now predominantly English state for millions who relied on their Britishness was chilling, but remote. But the implications do now need to be thought through. They also need to be thought through for Ulster, which would become a futile exclave — a further measure of the weird, arbitrary nature of nationalism, with the SNP turning its back on an area with which Scots have as intricate and old a linkage as with England.

The second group consists, of course, of those who vote No in the referendum. The best that the Yes camp can hope for is a very marginal victory — but this would mean that a little under half of those living in Scotland, perhaps at least as passionately, do not think independence a good idea. Any separate Scottish state will have to deal with "disloyalty" on a potentially huge scale. What happens to council areas which decisively vote No? Could these secede? Any new state has to define itself by loyalty to its institutions. I can think of almost no successful examples of this happening without threats and violence. A new Scottish state will be defined against the remainder of the UK. If it is not, then there was no point in creating such a state. But a state created by, say, even 55:45 is a mockery of real democracy real democracy is about the regular reviewing of choice, not a one-shot plebiscite. Within weeks the legitimacy of such a place could be frighteningly compromised — but the damage could never be undone. Psychologically, how could a new, smaller UK not lash out at its neighbour? How could negotiations over military bases, say, or oil not be vituperative, egged on by the millions of Scots who never wanted independence in the first place? How has this been allowed to happen?

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Jim Denham
March 30th, 2014
5:03 PM
An excellent piece, taking apart the vacuous and often quite nasty Scottish exceptionalism and cheap populism (posing as some sort of "socialism") of Salmond and Sturgeon. The slightly hysterical reaction of Scots Nats and their apologists BTL here, shows that the author has struck a nerve, even if the suggestion that Salmond's unpleasant "flag-waving mysticism allied to socioeconomic gestures to the Left" (an accurate descrition)as "effectively fascist" is a bit OTT.

Zen Broon
March 29th, 2014
8:03 PM
Not surprised the author's ill-informed bigotry "found few takers". His fevered fantasy that the Scottish independence movement is (or has ever been) based on blood and soil ideology is simply laughable.

tom donald
March 29th, 2014
8:03 AM
The author appears to be recommending "a mixture of large bribes, expulsions, prison sentences and the odd execution" to "restore order" in Scotland. Is "Standfast" a magazine of the fascist right? I'll not be back in any case.

Christian Wright
March 29th, 2014
1:03 AM
So, as I understand Mr Widner's stream of consciousness riff, he believes that in this Island there should be one state, one people, one leader. I didn't like it when Adolf said that, and I don't like it now.

Graham Purnell
March 28th, 2014
7:03 PM
Unbelievable that this man has been to Scotland and can still hold such mad views. That he can say that England has escaped nationalism is bizarre and completely wrong. Much of what is happening in Scotland is a reaction to pseudo-fascist English jingoism. We could vote to stay in the Union and then two years later the English could vote us out of Europe - a distinct possibility. Scots don't want that; we want to be part of Europe. Did the author fall asleep in 1975 and awake like Rip van Winkle just yesterday? Has he heard of UKIP and Mr Farage? This terrifying English nationalism is anathema to the vast majority of Scots and we are really worried that he may be a power-broker in a future coalition government. I see a vote for independence as an escape from Westminster politics that has an increasingly fascist in tone. Mr. Winder would do well to ponder on the last verse of Robert Burns' 'To A Louse': O wad some Power the giftie gie us To see oursels as ithers see us! It wad frae mony a blunder free us, An' foolish notion: What airs in dress an' gait wad lea'e us, An' ev'n devotion! The pseudo-fascist nationalistic streak of Mr Winder, English in origin, is blindingly obvious for others to see; if only he had the power to see it himself.

Neil Ford
March 28th, 2014
4:03 PM
Absolutely crazy. Never read such outright nonsense in all my days, Standpoint should be ashamed publishing this drivel.

Gordon
March 28th, 2014
3:03 PM
Clearly someone who should continue writing about all things Germanic because it is evident that he has little understanding of any aspect of the Scottish Referendum or maybe he is just another 'stoolie' to pass gloom and doom in the hope of Scaring the Scottish Voters. My suggestion to anyone, dont bother buy any of his books becuase he clearly doesnt know squat !!

cymrugel
March 28th, 2014
2:03 PM
Absolute nonsense from start to finish - and dangerous nonsense at that. You have stopped little short of suggesting that Salmond be arrested for the crime of leading a legitimate political party in a constitutional campaign for Scottish Independence. You are either wicked, mad or both.

Hamish
March 28th, 2014
10:03 AM
Of all the inane scaremongering articles written about Scottish Independence this one takes the biscuit for me. Simon Winder's entire argument is based on the falsehood that Alex Salmond is a fuehrer type figure blindly leading us poor innocent and ignorant Scots into a dark future. The reality is that the SNP have won the last two elections in Scotland (the last one by a landslide) and have used their 7 years or so in government to show people just how much better we can be when our policies are made and implemented by Scots. Even ardent labour supporters have had to admit that the SNP has managed to consistently deliver and maintain socially just policies like free prescriptions, free education, lower class sizes, the abolition of tolls and not a single rise in council tax bills in over 5 years. All of this has been achieved within budget by simply prioritising what's best for Scotland. Simon Winder's argument that an independent Scotland would be abandoning cities like Newcastle is possibly the most idiotic but also most offensive one used by the no campaign. Westminster governments have been abandoning Scottish towns and cities for centuries (if you don't believe that then look at life expectancy in Glasgow which happens to be the UK's third largest city). On a more general note, this article teeters on the brink of being illegal in my opinion. It clearly tries to establish a link between Alex Salmond and extremist Nationalist Socialists (the Nazis), a common tactic used by morons who cannot cope with the fact that independence for Scotland may actually become a reality and their little tartan playground isn't going to be there for them anymore.

Cameron Edwards
March 28th, 2014
7:03 AM
Rarely have I read such misinformed, inaccurate nonsense - Mr.Winder has very little grasp of reality here, let alone an idea of modern Scotland, Independence and the SNP.

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