RS: I wouldn't put it that way.
TC: That's the way Keynes puts it.
RS: No it isn't: The national income was made up of consumption and investment. Consumption was stable, investment was unstable. That's why you had fluctuations in national income and output.
TC: At the end of chapter seven of the General Theory he states what I just stated — it is actually the opening quotation in my last book, which you very kindly commented on. That is Keynes's basic theory of the monetary determination of the national income.
RS: It's not, no Keynesian would agree with you. I mean you're almost alone. Look, you should be on your own in this, and not bring in Keynes. You've got a view of things...
TC: I've given you a quote.
RS: But I've given you the whole theory, not just an odd quote. Anyone can extract quotes out of the context of the whole framework.
TC: There is a very nice summary of the General Theory that was done immediately after its publication by John Hicks where he said that Keynes actually has two theories. He has the theory that national income is a multiple of investment, and the multiplier is the reciprocal of the marginal propensity to save. And there's also the monetary theory. And the monetary theory is one in which the demand to hold money balances (L) is equal to the amount of money created by the banking system (M) which goes into the LM curve in the IS-LM diagram. That is basic theory. The monetary element in Keynes is a very major element, and I have just stated what his theory was, and I am correct about that.
RS: One bit of his theory.
TC: That was his theory throughout.
RS: You've just said there were two theories — now you say there's one theory.
TC: His monetary theory was the theory I've just described that didn't change.
RS: But his General Theory...
TC: He then added this idea, which of course is the theory that you like and that the Keynesians like, that income is a multiple of investment. And from that they went on to say that, because capitalism is inefficient, unstable and so on, and when there isn't enough private investment, the government should come in as well.
So the second element in Keynes, this multiplier theory, the fiscalist element, then led to the standard Keynesian argument that you need fiscal policy, you need a larger state sector, you need budget deficits, and all of this kind of stuff. I know it's there, Robert — I don't agree with it. However, I am correct that a much larger part of Keynes's work is actually about money.
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